What’s more spammable – a comment or a trackback?

There’s a post over at Performancing talking about comments and trackbacks which made me go doh! when I read it. I never imagined people who write about professional blogging would be so poorly informed when it comes to comment and trackback spam. While some points the author states do make sense the rest would make any spammer worth his AdSense checks laugh. Here goes:

I may yet have to deal with it [comment spam] more strongly in the future by blocking a list of IP addresses, if necessary.

Raj – don’t you know that comment spam is done using scripts as a rule, not manually, and those scripts use proxies to post comments to thousands of blogs without getting tracked or banned based on IP? Surprise surprise…

Next one:

Since spambloggers don’t generally write content, you will not have  spambacks

– doh! I’ll have you know that there are at least several trackback ping tools that can send trackback pings to targeted blogs even if the spammer doesn’t have a blog at all. The comments are funny too:

Comment spam and trackback spam are the same thing. I am pretty sure that someone out there is working on an XLM-RPC spam bot right now. It shouldn’t be too difficult.

– no Marcus, they are not the same thing. They use different mechanisms – but you’re right, creating a spam bot for both is a breeze.
What else do we have here:

Enabling trackback comments encourages people to write posts that reference you, more so than if you only allow regular, manually-submitted comments. This arguably adds a bit more weight and credibility to the trackback comment, and thus might encourage other readers to visit the linking site.

It’s true that trackback pings help get links from other people, and it’s tru that seeing a bit of a post on the otehr blog referring to the topic of the current post is likely to encourage people to visit the blog that sent the TB ping – but the downside is that there’s little control to what people will see as the text accompanying the trackback ping link. You never know what ends up displaying on the receiving end – it might be the text adjacent to the link to the targeted blog in the best case – or it might be the beginning of the post – or it might just be some random meaningless bit like “posted on… by… del.icio.us this…” and so on.

And to complete this chef-d’oeuvre of a post, there goes another bit of sheer disinformation in the end of it:

…some blog platforms just do not support them [trackback pings]. This includes Blogger.com…

Raj – where have you been for the last few months? It’s been a while since Blogger has enabled trackback pings – only they call them differently – backlinks.

The comments, like I said, are no better:

With trackbacks turned on you would be linking out to spammers. Linking to bad pills, pr0n and “enhancements” neighbourhoods.

Chris – AFAIK, and it concerns most if not all existing platforms, trackback pings can be moderated just like normal comments – so you won’t be linking to shite if you don’t like it.

And finally:

But I didn’t realize comment spam was generated by trackbacks.

– Raj, it’s not generated by trackbacks. Comment spam is generated by comment spam scripts and trackback spam is generated by trackback spam scripts – they are different although might be looking similar at the first glance. I will leave out the next passage about Blogspot blogs as it’s not exactly related – but I am seriously surprized. OK you might kick my arse and say I’m a blackhat spammer so that’s why I know all the stuff decent people are not suposed to know – but dang people you’re making a living with blogs! – You should know things like trackback and if you know the mainstream part of it you are bound to know the spam part as well…

Rand mentioned on his blog that I should probably do a guest article on Performancing – methinks it’s a TB spam and other blog-related spam FAQ I should be doing then 😉

8 Comments.

  1. Actually I did know that TBs can be moderated, I have to moderate them on my blogs all the time. One of my blogs hasn’t had a single legit trackback since I launched it before christmas :O(

    You are welcome to do a guest post at performancing, just run the topic past Nick or me, I am sure we would be happy to have it

  2. Chris – should it be blog spam FAQ then? 😉

  3. Come to think of it…as you’re a performancing member (glad you could make it), just write the post and publish it on your performancing blog – considering that you know your shit, nick and chris would have no problems in putting it on the main page.

  4. Will do 😉 I just registered – infact I registered to post that comment – so I wasn’t all too familiar with how it works over there.

  5. Unfortunately, it’s not a road I want to go down with Performancing.

    I’ve posted time and time again about the mechanics of spam and it leads only to negativity at best.

    At some point I’d like ot do some kind of interview, or series, but right now it’s just not an area i want to get into over at Perf…

  6. Nick – it’s up to you of course but it just strikes me as really weird that people writing about professional blogging wouldn’t know anything about these things – not in the context of spam itself but as one of the mechanisms involved in blogging. It’s almost like an SEO claiming to be a professonal wouldn’t know anything about search engine spam.

    Other than that – I do understand where you’re coming from and I’m not gonna start a war over it or something.

  7. I don’t know about other scripts but if u send a trackback on a wordpress, they show up as comment …

  8. Not really true. When you leave a comment manually what do you do? – You type in your name/nickname or whatever, then your blog URL and the actual comment. So everything you write there is the complete text that will show up in the comment. Now, if you send a trackback ping what happens? – first, the signature of the “person” who posted it will be more like “DesiNet’s spamselling blog” and maybe the title of the post added to it – that’s already your difference. Now, the text of your post itself will not come across in its completeness – there will be part of it posted – and like I said above you don’t really have control over which part it would be.